At a time when the United States is threatening to withdraw from NATO, how can Europe maximise its power to deter Russia’s threat? If Vladimir Putin were given the territory Donald Trump offered in his peace plan, what would his next move be? Why does the White House keep misunderstanding Putin’s real war aims?

Alastair Campbell is joined by Volodymyr Zelenskyy, President of Ukraine, to discuss all this and more.

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Social Producer: Celine Charles

Video Editor: Vasco Andrade

Videographer: James Clayden

Assistant Producer: Daisy Alston-Horne

Senior Producer: Nicole Maslen

Exec Producer: Chris Sawyer

General Manager: Tom Whiter

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